In actual practice I've not found such a problem, though I too look forward to having at least some notification that a page is being worked on by someone else.
In my experience, editors are limited to the areas of the site they are responsible for so the people responsible for press releases do not get in the way of people working on FAQs, for instance. And you can use source control for the templates, css, javascript, xslt, and binary files. It's only the content section that is potentially difficult. But as I say, in actual use this problem shows up only very rarely and there is always the rollback history of all versions if that's needed.
As I understand it, there are a lot of issues around locking.
For instance... when a page is locked, who can force it to be unlocked? What if a page is locked and the person with it open goes on holiday for a week? Or their machine crashes and the lock somehow remains? Is a full check-in/check-out system necessary? That would be easy with developers who are familiar with such things but perhaps not for casual editors. Does the lock happen automatically when the page is opened or do you need to specifically request it? Maybe I'm unusual but in my work I sometimes look at a lot of pages without intending to edit them and I wouldn't want to get in the way of those who have a legitimate need to edit a page. Should there be a notification system that a previously-locked page is now available? Or a way to request the active editor release the page with some internal messaging?
These are just some of the considerations. Even if implementing the solution isn't difficult the first step is for careful consideration of a solution that meets the needs of at least 80% of the umbraco user base. Anything that is only useful to a small portion of the community should not be put in the core of umbraco but handled as an extension of some sort. That's what keeps umbraco from being bloat-ware.
But please do make a feature suggestion on codeplex, or vote up an existing request if it's already there.
There are quite similar solutions about locking in other CMS products (I've worked with Sitecore and Smarsite).
User with Admin role can unlock any items. That is solution to all issues about "human factor".
Locking Items can be done implicitly when user edits item, withoun any extra-efforts. In this case editors will never know and think about locking in the sites with just 1 editor (I think more than 50% sites in umbraco).
Only unlocking is explicit. This is useful when number of editor more than 1.
I raised the question some months ago and from memory was told by one of the core team it was coming only in the Pro version somewhere down the line. I think there should at least be some sort of visual aid for users to let them know someone else is editing the document but not necessarily lock the item.
Sorry to bring this up again, but I am looking at creating multiple mini sites on a current umbraco site (4.0.3) where it will allow lots of different people to login and edit their own section. So am I right in saying...
- As long as each person is editing a different section, there is now limit or problem with how many people can be logged in and editing content?
There's no limit to how many concurrent editors you can have but if multiple editors are editing the same content you'll run into problems of content being overwritten.
Umbraco Corp has a pro product that allows you to 'check out' a node for edit and check back in thus preventing content being overwritten.
As Shannon said... no limit. But if you're worried about two editors working on the same page at the same time, then the locking feature in Concierge is fantastic. Video demo at http://vimeo.com/3866212
Maximum concurrent users in Umbraco
Hi,
Do you guys know if there is any limitation on the number of concurrent users in Umbraco?
Thanks
No limit. Though you do want to be careful that multiple people are not editing the same item at the same time.
cheers,
doug.
Thanks Doug
@Jorge Lusar: You can mark Doug's reply as solution.
Isn't there any lock on item when editing that will not allow other users to edit it at the same time?
If no, then it must to be implemented. This function is essential for good CMS.
No built-in locking at the moment but I believe it is on the list for umbraco 4.1 and/or one of the Pro products.
cheers,
doug.
That's tooooo bad. That makes Umbraco not suitable for customers with a number of editors more than 1.
In actual practice I've not found such a problem, though I too look forward to having at least some notification that a page is being worked on by someone else.
In my experience, editors are limited to the areas of the site they are responsible for so the people responsible for press releases do not get in the way of people working on FAQs, for instance. And you can use source control for the templates, css, javascript, xslt, and binary files. It's only the content section that is potentially difficult. But as I say, in actual use this problem shows up only very rarely and there is always the rollback history of all versions if that's needed.
cheers,
doug.
Yes, I know and agree with all your points. But I think it's not too hard to mark Item as "Locked" while editing.
As I understand it, there are a lot of issues around locking.
For instance... when a page is locked, who can force it to be unlocked? What if a page is locked and the person with it open goes on holiday for a week? Or their machine crashes and the lock somehow remains? Is a full check-in/check-out system necessary? That would be easy with developers who are familiar with such things but perhaps not for casual editors. Does the lock happen automatically when the page is opened or do you need to specifically request it? Maybe I'm unusual but in my work I sometimes look at a lot of pages without intending to edit them and I wouldn't want to get in the way of those who have a legitimate need to edit a page. Should there be a notification system that a previously-locked page is now available? Or a way to request the active editor release the page with some internal messaging?
These are just some of the considerations. Even if implementing the solution isn't difficult the first step is for careful consideration of a solution that meets the needs of at least 80% of the umbraco user base. Anything that is only useful to a small portion of the community should not be put in the core of umbraco but handled as an extension of some sort. That's what keeps umbraco from being bloat-ware.
But please do make a feature suggestion on codeplex, or vote up an existing request if it's already there.
cheers,
doug.
There are quite similar solutions about locking in other CMS products (I've worked with Sitecore and Smarsite).
User with Admin role can unlock any items. That is solution to all issues about "human factor".
Locking Items can be done implicitly when user edits item, withoun any extra-efforts. In this case editors will never know and think about locking in the sites with just 1 editor (I think more than 50% sites in umbraco).
Only unlocking is explicit. This is useful when number of editor more than 1.
I raised the question some months ago and from memory was told by one of the core team it was coming only in the Pro version somewhere down the line. I think there should at least be some sort of visual aid for users to let them know someone else is editing the document but not necessarily lock the item.
Sorry to bring this up again, but I am looking at creating multiple mini sites on a current umbraco site (4.0.3) where it will allow lots of different people to login and edit their own section. So am I right in saying...
- As long as each person is editing a different section, there is now limit or problem with how many people can be logged in and editing content?
There's no limit to how many concurrent editors you can have but if multiple editors are editing the same content you'll run into problems of content being overwritten.
Umbraco Corp has a pro product that allows you to 'check out' a node for edit and check back in thus preventing content being overwritten.
As Shannon said... no limit. But if you're worried about two editors working on the same page at the same time, then the locking feature in Concierge is fantastic. Video demo at http://vimeo.com/3866212
cheers,
doug.
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